transsexual LESBIAN ? is this possible ?

transsexual LESBIAN ? is this possible ?

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trannypuss

Published on Sun Dec 09, 2007 6:32 am
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I am a transexual woman [ MTF ] in transition and I've been on HRT for about a year and a half now , well starting in june of 2006{ may 28} . all of my life , I have been sexually attracted to women ; and yes, thought I was " straight " or heterosexual . but the thing was that even though I found women to be attractive , I never was good at dating , would always either be way to shy to play the " man role" or so outspoken as in saying things to girls like " what the hell you all dressed up for ? " [ when this girl told me " I like to dress and look nice for school, that's why!" ; back in high school ] my reply was " well I would never get dressed up for anything but a job interview!" I never had a clue as to what it took to get a girl , and in fact - they all hated me and saw me as queer , a loser, pothead , and scumbag . the guys thought I was a (expletive) , the girls? a disrespectful scumbag and in fact one time among many when the guys teased , the joke was " what girl in her right mind would go with you to the prom ? " my answer was " well who would want to blow their cash on any of this town's stuck the **** up girls " yeah , as the supposed " boy " I was supposed to be , I totally lacked confidence and saw myself as " waiting for my PRINCESS, CINDERELLA, TO COME AND RESCUE ME"

and so, this was to continue for the rest of my life as the " M thing " I had absolutely no self esteem and in fact I hated women whom were what most guys considered to be " pretty " seeing them all as stuck up princesses expecting to be both asked, and paid for, on a date ! as the " boy" and later on, the " man " thing , I hate all the " male to female rules of dating, and yes mixed company too. everything from having to watch what you say and not swear/cuss around women, to acting like you really appreciated how nice women would dress in order to impress others and thus, expect to be complimented. wearing a suit, or even a "sport" coat ; completely disgusted me and I could never understand why guys would talk one way around themselves, swear , etc, YET when around the opposite sex , act like the perfect gentleman in order to make women "feel comfortable" honestly , I saw this as being " stupid and meaningless" and would constantly cry out " what ever happened to feminism and equal rights??? " I was often called " (expletive), FAIRY , GIRLY-BOY" and all the rest , and I do actually remember the guys ganging up on me and saying " MAYBE YOU OUGHTTA GET YOUR SEX CHANGE OPERATION LIKE CHRISTINE JORGENSEN DID! YOU ACT MORE LIKE A P**SY" THAN A BOY! "

I had sex as the " M thing " with a woman only one time , this back in sept. of 1984 , four times in one week and then; like always , it was over! in fact every attempt at even having a " male" to female relationship always ended on a sour note; I saw straight women as stuck up bitches and the men; as princes in shining armor whom were " wolves about to swoop on in for the kill" ; sort of like in that song by meatloaf " the wolf with the red roses" whom acted totally nice around the women just to get them [ only later to become another jerk when she got to know him for 6 months! ] perhaps the thing I remembered best was when that girl whom I lost my virginity with had , well " went to the bathroom" [ peed] out in the woods in front of me. seeing that and how she did this, I admired it, and now to think back - this was what started my supposed "fetish" for how women peed. I wanted what she had to do so with, and I knew it.

I had tried to see if maybe I was gay , this at age 19-22, and again , when this gay guy picked me up at like age 25-26 and wanted to see if he could "bring me out" it never happened, as here I felt that I " hated women because they all were bitches" ; YET, was so intensely attracted to them . YET I FOUND " BUTCH WOMEN" AND " TOMBOYS" AND YES, LESBIANS TO BE ATTRACTIVE ; ALL BECAUSE THEY " ACTED MORE LIKE THE BOYS" AND NOT THE SUPER FEMME PRINCESSES! one time at like age 20 , I was talking to some girl whom was a butch lesbian, wearing guy jeans , no makeup and not at all looking traditionally " feminine" . suddenly, for somebody whom said " he" ' hated women' and all , I felt completely at ease talking to her! she then told me she was a lesbian and I had said something like " thanks , because , this is weird, but for some reason if I did not know , I'd swear I was getting a crush on you. I liked the way she could talk openly about sex. well her reply was this. " that's so funny , cause why would any guy find me attractive ? I'm a dyke ! most guys seem to lust after my girlfriend whom dresses very feminine in her six inch stilletto heels and lace dresses to board the train for work in manhattan . but what do you see in me ??? this was at a westport CT AA meeting when she and I were hanging out and talking about sex, and all else , without reserve!

here I had no clues as to if I was transgender back then , well except for this intense " fetish" with women peeing when I'd sit home and fantasize about what it'd be like to be a girl ; then go into my home bathroom and sit down to pee like one. my answer to her was this . " BECAUSE I CAN TALK TO YOU LIKE YOU WERE JUST ONE OF THE GUYS AND NOT HAVE TO STOP SWEARING AND ACT LIKE THE PERFECT PRINCE, OR GENTLEMAN DOES TO THE PRINCESS! IT FEELS LIKE IT IS JUST EQUAL ."

little did I see this , but all my life till I transitioned , I basically saw the high femme woman as " unavailable bitches " and " living, breathing, playboy centerfolds which I could never get! " for years , thinking I was an alcoholic[ pothead, yes ] I would go to all the AA and NA[ EA, CODA , all that] meetings ; just to dump all my emotional (expletive) and yes, stare at all the pretty yuppie women I could never get . and yes, funny that I would prefer those meetings in places which had UNISEX RESTROOMS . while waiting in line to use the restrooms and a woman was in ahead of me , I would secretly " listen"; something that I had been doing since age 13. on the other hand, at home I was " afraid of being heard by women " standing up like I was taught as a " boy" ; as a matter of fact , it embarrassed me . this all changed when I began to sit and go like a woman! [ yes, this was what led to my eventual transition! one of the gay guys I had been dating around the age of 30 , [ to figure out what was " wrong with me and why though I found women to be sexually attractive yet was unable to connect with them emotionally ] when I said " I feel so weird asking this and sitting " , he told me " it's not abnormal and you are probably just another closet case transsexual whom hasn't yet come out! most are! they all go to our gay teacher things and get dressed up, then return to being men on monday or when they go back to their wives."

anyway, so now that I have come out from that long, closet , or as I like to say , " from behind the unisex ladies room door" , and went on hormones/androgen blockers ; I have been trying to figure out who I am and whom I am sexually attracted to more. women? or men" on the advice of some of the other TS - I tried it with a few men ; and while it felt good in the beginning - I STILL CRAVED WOMEN MORE! I had read in mildred L brown's book TRUE SELVES UNDERSTANDING TRANSSEXUALITY............ THAT "MANY MTF TRANSSEXUALS LONG BEFORE COMING OUT BACK IN HIGH SCHOOL , THOUGHT THEY WERE " STRAIGHT MALES" , BUT COULD NOT FIGURE OUT HOW TO BE THE " MALE SUITOR" THAT HETEROSEXUAL WOMEN WANTED THEM TO BE." she went on saying " WHAT THEY REALLY HAD WITH WOMEN WAS WHAT I CALL ' LESBIANIC RELATIONSHIPS'

I knew that this was ME , being that as soon as I began wearing the dress , I was much better able to relate to women EMOTIONALLY - SOMETHING THAT I COULD NEVER DO ; NOR WANTED TO EVEN LEARN HOW TO DO. before, I could not figure it out , now it is like all those straight, high femme women I said that I "hated " ; while not being perfect about liking them - I NO LONGER SEE THEM AS THE ENEMY ! I was always sexually attracted to women! NOW , the difference is that I am EMOTIONALLY attracted to women as well . I still am rebellious from the female standpoint as to how to act " like a lady " , examples being how my sister tells me all the time " women don't swear all the time and use the F word " ; or how I still see all that high femme, cocktail party fashion as being basically stupid ; as well as the more modest , yet still high femme , " coldwater creek and ann taylor loft styles " .
some things have not changed , but I think I finally figured out where I stand as far as being attracted to women, or to men; is concerned . I met this nice guy whom likes transsexual women, even though I am not that passable- he likes me. yet even though I was , about two months ago , slightly attracted to him , I KNEW I LIKED WOMEN BETTER . last time I saw him down in new york city , we both went to my favorite little gay bar, which , by the way , is like 90% lesbian ! [ ruby fruit on hudson st at charles] after leaving, when we both went to get our trains [ he to stamford CT and me to golden's bridge NY ] I walked with him to his train . right them, he wanted to kiss me, BUT all I did was give him a big hug ; feeling like even though he is a great guy and likes me; I AM ATTRACTED TO WOMEN AND HAVE BEEN ALL MY LIFE!

but how realistic is it to even think that I am going to be able to , like , be with a woman as a woman being that I am still " pre-op" SRS ????? probably none from what I've heard , though I have met a few for whom this has happened .

all I know is that I like women better now than I did having to be that " man thing" . the , traditionally pretty, heterosexual ones , while not being 100% out of my " bitch name calling " [ mostly due to the way they stare down at me in public- though NOT ALL DO THIS ! about half actually give me that smile of " welcome to girlhood" after seeing my breasts! ] ; I now see as just women! and in the world of women and who I am going to be? well I have become comfortable with saying that I am , what I heard and read in this other book , " gender blending" by richard elkins, PhD , a TRANSSEXUAL LESBIAN-FEMINIST! years ago , back when I used to say that I " hated women" , I loved the true feminists ; and in fact , I was the one whom would march in protest outside those women's clinics with all the feminist women ; protesting against the so called " christians" while defending a woman's right to have a safe and legal abortion! when men would ask me why this should concern me" you're a man" , my answer" well if I was a woman , I would not want any one to tell me what to do with my body!"

now I am an avid reader of MS MAGAZINE , a magazine many of the more traditional " feminist" women see as way too extreme when it comes to women's rights in america ; mostly because they, like N.O.W. , take on both the fashion and the diet industry; saying that both are degrading to a woman's sense of self esteem. [ I agree so far , being a happy size 20W . but I do like my lipstick, mascara, eye liner, and eye shadow! I'm a " femme-dyke" I believe, or just " femme" but NOT " high femme" ]

I go into this lesbian's blog online , "MY SO CALLED LESBIAN LIFE", and I feel as if I am one of them as far as commenting on all those attractive pictures she uploads for us girls to comment on! and I have even went as far as checking out the " woman seeking woman " personals in match.com , and for so long when asked[ even long before transition] who my favorite celebrity woman was, I had to say " ELLEN ! SHE'S CUTE! " [ christina aguliera never turned me on , even before transition! but ellen de generes is like " wow" with her " tom boy" or is that " TOM-BOI" ways! ]

in fact I have been writing this novel about three girls , two of whom are close friends, but now, toward the end- have become lovers. it's called "other side of gainesville" and is perhaps one of the two main influences [ stephanie erin thomas online diary in the old TG forum the other] , that I came out as cheryl ! the two main characters are" leanne rutherford " , a southern born and bred bisexual woman , and "cheryl lynne pietrini" [ that character at first I was playing, but soon came to live in real life as cheryl lynne oropal

] and I plan on ending it with them both getting " married " [ maybe not legally as florida will not allow this yet- only massachusetts and canada! ] while writing this, I often feel as if I am living " cheryl's character " and am with leanne , my fiancee' and wife to be .

BUT IS IT REALISTIC? I mean having the , as I too often say, and deeply feel , " wrong parts for the right job" IS IT POSSIBLE ?

IS IT REALLY POSSIBLE ? TO BE A TRANSSEXUAL LESBIAN ? all I know is when I dream about whom I will wake up with - it's not a guy, but a GIRL . IS IT REALLY POSSIBLE TO BE A TRANSSEXUAL LESBIAN IN REAL LIFE? DOES THIS EVER WORK OUT ?

IS IT REALLY POSSIBLE ? TO BE A TRANSSEXUAL LESBIAN ?

Absolutely it's possible. I'm doing it, and have two kids. Gender, and sexual orientation have nothing to do with each other. In fact, it's not easy to find many New Gendered women living with other women. For instance, There's Aunty Sarah, a blogger I read from the UK, or even the quasi famous Melanie Ann Phillips, who lives with her partner.

Liv, that is just what I thought was true, as in this book by an english-person called " gender blending", hir[ authors] quote was [ in reply to this genetic woman feminist named Ms. janice raymond's book " transsexual empire" ] " sex is 97% between the ears and not just the physical parts" all I know is lately I've been feeling more attracted to women than I ever did , yet the former " male" sex cravings [ libido] which made me so desperate that I was unable to see a woman as a person; are gone! "thanks , lady estra' D" but then again, this woman I'd met in the supermarket was telling me about how her MTF " son" now daughter , as she put it, while seeing herself as a lesbian- had a really hard time dating and was not wanted by any of them out in LA where she lived. all I know is at the gay bars , I've had a few young lesbians come up with the " grind" and when they feel what they don't want to feel ; they back off . { they are probably looking for sex only, though.} but at that new york bar, ruby fruit, I've had many whom seem cool to me . [ been too poor to go out and spend $4-6 on drinks a piece lately, anyway]

Liv wrote:
IS IT REALLY POSSIBLE ? TO BE A TRANSSEXUAL LESBIAN ?

Absolutely it's possible. I'm doing it, and have two kids. Gender, and sexual orientation have nothing to do with each other. In fact, it's not easy to find many New Gendered women leaving with other women. For instance, There's Aunty Sarah, a blogger I read from the UK, or even the quasi famous Melanie Ann Phillips, who lives with her partner.

Well here's my thoughts. If you're at a place in your life where you are craving the social interaction of another person. It's probably not a good thing to transition. It's just the two are so separate, it's not even worth considering going through gender changes if you're emotional battling with your personal relationships as well.

Let's just say, I've had many more options being "me" then pretending to be "him". Both Male and female, and it's all the same. I'm happy to say though, if me and my partner ever separated, I'd be fine and dandy being single. If something happened to change it, I'd weigh it as it came.

I think its safe to say, if your transitioning it might be worth postponing dating and relationships until your through it. IMHO.

Liv, definitely, I agree with you . weird thing is not, I don't seems to need somebody to make me feel life's worth living like I used to before. [ funny my sister and I had this discussion just before, she feeling that I would have had many more chances in life with housing and all, if I remained " whom I was born and accepted it and tried medication" ; I feeling that, despite what she says about "how I'm still not that happy", I feel more confident now then before as cheryl. her point is this- " NORMAL" PEOPLE WOULD HAVE ACCEPTED ME BETTER AS ***** , THIS AS FAR AS EMPLOYMENT,HOUSING SEARCHES GO. { she does have a point about people being prejudiced in this sense} HER point is that she knew a transwoman teacher MTF, in the NY city schools system where she teaches; and she told me how the students always made fun of her deep sounding voice. the meds thing was something I tried for many years. not that it helped at all. ]

back to the partner thing? well, at least now I feel like I am not so desperate that I absolutely have to have somebody.

right now I have a guy whom likes me a lot, from NY city . michael is a REALLY NICE GUY WHOM DATES MANY " TRANNIE GALS" ; but I feel that I'd be leading him on, as I am still attracted to women. and so, even though he knows that I am still pre-op, and still likes me a lot; I figure that we should simply be just friends. [ he wants to come up by train to CT to see me this weekend , before he goes to berlin , germany; where this girl he knows, now lives.she is TS, post op , I believe.]

Liv wrote:Well here's my thoughts. If you're at a place in your life where you are craving the social interaction of another person. It's probably not a good thing to transition. It's just the two are so separate, it's not even worth considering going through gender changes if you're emotional battling with your personal relationships as well.

Let's just say, I've had many more options being "me" then pretending to be "him". Both Male and female, and it's all the same. I'm happy to say though, if me and my partner ever separated, I'd be fine and dandy being single. If something happened to change it, I'd weigh it as it came.

I think its safe to say, if your transitioning it might be worth postponing dating and relationships until your through it. IMHO.

Yes, I think it really depends on how much you can balance, and handle as a person. I'm much more of a "come what may" person then "search and destroy". I've just seen too many people use "others" and "relationships" as replacements for something else missing in their lives, when if they acknowledged the underlying emptiness first, they'd realize their happiness can come from within. You can't make someone else happy, till you find happiness within yourself.

In 1975, I can remember waking-up in the hospital from surgery (MTF) lifing the sheet, and seeing the sanitary napkin between my legs and saying to myself "finally," I was 19 yrs.old..... Several days later I began to notice something, a "smell." I thought that it was my imagination, until another transsexual across the hall asked me on the telephone if I had a smell. I said yes ! what is that ? The transsexual instructed me to ask the nurse for peroxide and cotton balls to cleanse myself. I was a teenager, and thought it was part of the healing process. (little did I know) Well, when I got home and went to my primary care physician, I bluntly asked him,"what is that smell? it keeps coming back!" My doctor examined me, smelled his gloved fingers, and laughed and said softly "it smells like "female genitalia" and here I thought something was wrong. When I told the story to one of my best female friends at the time, She burst into laughter, and said "WELCOME TO WOMANHOOD" So the first female genitalia I smelled was my own. All that to say most women/transsexuals find vaginal odor slightly unpleasant, I don't mean excessive odor, just "end of the day" odor. However, I find that men like the odor, and I would assume that Lesbians do also. All this to say, that if your senses aren't offended by the sexual partner of "your" choosing than go for it!......... To each his own.

Yes it is definitely possible. I'm currently dating a TG lesbian. We're very happy together, and I am a bisexual female , and she is the best of both worlds for me! I believe she is the best thing that ever happened to me. And if the dating thing doesn't work out for us, she is still the best friend I have EVER had!

kewl

yeah, I was thinking of that too, that I may find somebody whom is bisexual and leaning toward the lesbian side as well as the other. funny I feel a slight tear in my eye, then again I was thinking about this lesbian gal in her blog[ my so called lesbian life at salon.com] and how those emotions rushed when I read she and her lesbian " boi" got engaged. I guess the idea is that you first gotta be happy within yourself and then , possibilities will open up?

cheryl:)

evilpenguin wrote:Yes it is definitely possible. I'm currently dating a TG lesbian. We're very happy together, and I am a bisexual female , and she is the best of both worlds for me! I believe she is the best thing that ever happened to me. And if the dating thing doesn't work out for us, she is still the best friend I have EVER had!

Of course it's possible! Just like evilpenguin said, sexual orientation has NOTHING to do with sexual identity. Sexual orientation as most of you know stands for "what you like" and sexual identity stands for "what you feel like" so, if you feel like a woman, and still like women, does that make you lesbian? Yeppers!

Here in Peru there's a very well known case of a transexual woman who holds a lesbian life. It was even in the news, etc.

Hi Trannypuss:

You are a victim of society, just like me. Girls who cruelly-reject you're type deserve to be raped. They guys who tease you about not getting girls deserve to have their d-cks welded to those girls' v-lvas. I hate masculine men and I hate bitchy girls who were born totally-female.

Because of society' irrational rules, I only respect T-girls like myself. F--k the *real* females, they deserve to be molested and disabled.

The girls who insulted you in high school are just as guilty as the guys who bullied you. Both deserve to be punished.

What's your social status? If you're poor and on the streets, then I encourage you other MTFs who've been victimized by the humans' society -- and feel they've got nothing to lose -- to form gangs that molest and disable actual females and FTMs. These gangs should pretend to be lesbian and lure and trap actually-female lesbians. The MTF should permanently and severely disable the butch lesbians and then sexually-molest the the femme lesbians.

If you're rich and you gotta a great life right now, then don't f-ck it up by doing anything illegal. On the other hand, if you're on the street being targeted by evil societal humans, then I suggest you take revenge against society.

Remember the Columbine tragedy in '99? The perps of that were victims of bullying. So they fought back and now school rules are a LOT stricter against bullies.

Transgendered lesbians like you need to do something like that to get your point across to society. Give the humans' society the punishment it deserves.

If you feel you've got nothing to lose, I suggest you return the high school where you were victimized and do something similar to the Columbine. However, be sure to target girls and macho men. Go the the girls locker room/bathrooms and do some damage. You don't want to harm any effeminate or unmasculine men -- so leave the freshmen boys alone. If any chivalrous macho pro-feminist men try to stop you, then get them as well.

Please note that I'm not threatening anyone. I maybe encourage punishment of a certain people but I am not threatening to cause harm to anyone so I am not in violation of any law.

Anyways, I will add that transgender women who prefer men have a much easier life than transgender lesbians -- like you and me.

I myself am not going to cause anyone any harm because I have so much to lose. However, there are many poor Trans-lesbians living in the slums and being treated like crap. It these who I encourage to punish society. I mean, there already being raped and beaten so much by society, that there already in a virtual prison.

Unfortunately, you've got to be violent at times. You've got to use fear to change others. Being Ghandi is something that only works in very rare cases.

In retaliation, I wouldn't mind if MTFs were to stoop to -- or even below -- society's level.

To understand me better please read my story:

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Best,

Transgender Lesbian

you have a very valid point, though I'll admit that much of my former hatred toward those high femme women has, while not gone away completely, tempered quite a bit. not to upset you , but I have to disagree with you on the butch and femme lesbians part that you mentioned. honestly, I always found the butch women[ many whom were lesbians] attractive a long time ago; much more then those high -femme, preppy-jock/yuppie, " mall-princesses". in fact, a few weeks ago at Connecticut PRIDE , I was dancing with one of those [ biological] butch women lesbians many often call [ sometimes derogatory] " dykes". she was a fun person I'll admit. and later, at the CT gay/lesbian film festival at hartford's trinity college[ preppy but progressive " Ivy school" ] , during the after party on closing night ; I got up and danced when the gay guy DJ hollered " this ones for the lesbians! some really super cute femmy-butch girl, wearing just black sports-bra and faded jean shorts; came up and danced with me a few songs. being that we all wear full of sweat on that 100 degree F day; I could smell the sweet smell of her feminine sweat; something that really turned me on immensely! that along with her intensely muscular body- one of those tough gym girls. there is one infamous [ biological] lesbian I feel deserves what you said, though . JANICE G. RAYMOND, author of the TRANSSEXUAL EMPIRE. after reading her book, which, by the way, is so filled with her HATRED OF TRANSSEXUALS ; I had to question why she hates us MTF's so much. she sees us as " invaders out to destroy women-born-women" ; and was the ONE PERSON RESPONSIBLE for causing the US govts. MEDICARE[ health insurance] to no longer pay for transgender services! [ thank the gods/goddesses my endocrinologist/clinic knows how to get around this with billing codes stating " unspecified endocrine disorder" when billing medicare!] some TG's have said it may be because of Janice raymond's catholic upbringing , long before coming out as lesbian in college!
as far as those macho men go ? I still can't stand them. in fact, like so many true-feminist bio-women ; I think they are a bunch of super-macho male genitalia-heads! I think I've gone the direction of MS. magazine's contributing editor, gloria steinhem- on that issue! that and have to agree with her, other REAL FEMININSTS ; that it's society that teaches women to be weak/high-femme powder -room soccer moms; while teaching men to be strong providers for the family. [ read Liv's " gender article" ^-^ ] yet I'll have to admit that , yes, I am still angry at women in a way ; but just toward the more traditionally " feminine" , mostly 30-something and up ; " modesty-queens" they are the ones whom will look down at you with that " shame on you for dressing like a teenage slut" look! BUT..... then again, I learned that many biological women deal with these kinds of "beyotches " at the office/workplace/social life ; they too often " hate" them as well ! [ blame that on TV's stupid " what not to wear" shows and the fashion industry/ all women's magazines besides " B*tch" and " Ms.", which makes plus-sized / all women; feel badly about themselves!] the best way to " get back" at those women is the girly way ; I now find! simply walk into the supermarket wearing just flip-flops/shorts, and a SPORTS BRA [ halter] TOP ! when they look at me with that " shame on you " look ? I simply smile and thrust my breasts at them! " yes, I am a slut but I that is MY CHOICE as a woman ! " I did get told by a woman manager at southbury's Shaws , " my manager said you are not to come back into the store without your shirt on!" my reply was " I feel I'm being discriminated against because I am a transgender woman! but whatever! fine, I'd rather shop at stop and shop!" BUT , one little complaint to http://www.shaws.com about all three women mgrs. and did they ever get hollered at . the male store manager called me to say he felt that, even if she didn't like it; she had NO right to say anything!

finally, you are right about how hate crimes/anti-bullying laws have made things much better for LGBT's in general! in fact, upon a recent visit to my old HS , CT's newtown high ; I noticed some changes. 1. security cameras in use ; 2. between the " girls" and " boys" room near the main lobby , they now have a small, 3RD GENDER bathroom with the wheelchair sign on the door! even though I can now legally pee in the girl's/women's room- I thought back about how much easier life would've been and how today ; I would've asked for the key to use that one rather then suffer the emotional/physical abuse of being a " fairy" ! recently, newtown high caught on camera both a school bomb threat [ boy of course] ; and speak of BULLYING ; 6 boys and, yes, one GIRL responsible for tying up and brutally torturing another weaker student . ALL WERE PROMPTLY ARRESTED by the newtown police under warrants! the bad thing now would be you'd no longer be able to smoke pot/cigarettes both outside or in those bathrooms- smile- you're on candid camera ; just like the NY city police use all over the five boros- which has made the city, especially subways; way safer! and so, I've gone from " angry at most women, man" ; to " angry riot grrrl " feminist supporter whom likes women better then men now! -cheryl :)

I can totally relate. A friend once said to me that he knew that later after surgery I'd be eating some nice girl and wish I could still 'serve it up' like I used to and I knew he was right. The truth is what you get after surgery isn't a female genitalia but a cosmetic simulation and for all that you still have sensation to think that it's the same is ludicrous. Both you and your partner are likely to be happier and more satisfied long-term if you opt not to op. As trans people we have to settle with less than we actually desire ultimately. A lot of lesbians don't like men but have no problem with c*ck. You think HT takes it out of you sexually, surgery makes that even more pronounced. For me I realized surgery is over $10,000 and a rich sex life is all but free... it's a no-brainer here. Just my 2 cents. -Karen

Karen I have no problem with your statement that SRS is not "required" but the bit about being able to "serve it up" doesn't make much sense. Once the Anti Androgen drugs and Estrogen have been used its pretty hard to impossible to get erect. And for many TS people the idea of having "male" parts and using them for sex is really repugnant.

Surgery doesn't take away the ability to enjoy sex *Unless its botched" in fact I think most would say its far better.

Mystery wrote:Once the Anti Androgen drugs and Estrogen have been used its pretty hard to impossible to get erect.

Well, be-careful on this one. It varies from individual, based on age, sex, weight, etc... Most of the reasoning behind thoughts like this are based on the fact many people use a "high-blood pressure" as an anti-androgen reducing blood flow to the necessary bit, rather then an actual side effects of the hormones themselves.

Mystery wrote:
And for many TS people the idea of having "male" parts and using them for sex is really repugnant.

Or atleast a mental hurdle.

actually what the hormones do is this. while I, for example, may be still attracted to girls- sexually ; the interest in having " intercourse" the old way [ as in patriarchal " male genitalia into female genitalia" style]- more like the " libido" influencing your interest; decreases due to the HRT. myself I've found that I've gone from never really having a desire to " eat some girl out" [ oral sex] ; to a very strong desire much similar to what a biological lesbian woman would experience. but what I've really noticed that the hormones seem to do is this. I've gone from seeing woman as " hard to get sex objects whom were too demanding to be able to get along with"; to better understanding woman , EMOTIONALLY ; and thus; seeing them more as equal, human partners.

I noticed back about two months ago, while dancing with this femmy-butch lesbian woman [ biological] at the CT LGBT film fest's after party that hot june night- that I was really, really, turned on by her strong, athletically- sweaty body odor. it didn't smell as strong as, say a man's sweat would. but it definitely was a lot stronger then that of some high-femme " powder puff " whom tries so hard to hide the fact that women actually are supposed to have a distinct , feminine, body odor- thus covering it up with tons of perfume [ not that I'm not guilty of using my FDS myself

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so , as the HRT progresses, more and more one loses interest in past desires, while gaining a whole new perspective on women and relationships; unless of course you are , like many transwomen whom prefer men.

Karenthetravelled wrote:I can totally relate. A friend once said to me that he knew that later after surgery I'd be eating some nice girl and wish I could still 'serve it up' like I used to and I knew he was right. The truth is what you get after surgery isn't a female genitalia but a cosmetic simulation and for all that you still have sensation to think that it's the same is ludicrous. Both you and your partner are likely to be happier and more satisfied long-term if you opt not to op. As trans people we have to settle with less than we actually desire ultimately. A lot of lesbians don't like men but have no problem with c*ck. You think HT takes it out of you sexually, surgery makes that even more pronounced. For me I realized surgery is over $10,000 and a rich sex life is all but free... it's a no-brainer here. Just my 2 cents. -Karen

I'm living proof that it's possible. Granted, I live in a part of the US where straight AND gay people aren't fond of us (I've actually had more problems with gay folks than straight). However, I have been in several relationship with ciswomen and transwomen. I am currently engaged to a very beautiful transwoman, and things are just as wonderful as they can be between us!

It is wonderful!

Transgender Woman wrote:Hi Trannypuss:

You are a victim of society, just like me. Girls who cruelly-reject you're type deserve to be raped. They guys who tease you about not getting girls deserve to have their d-cks welded to those girls' v-lvas. I hate masculine men and I hate bitchy girls who were born totally-female.

Best,

Transgender Lesbian

Hating anyone doesn't make you any better than them. I found this to be a disappointing response and not at all helpful. :hand:

Wow, I myself am a "transsexual lesbian". But..... I also like guys too. No its not strange it actualy seems pretty natural. A persons gender DOES NOT depict there sexuality. I have friends that are gay, strait and transgender and they all seem confused and allways ask me why do I want to be a girl and yet still be attracted to girls. Theres a word for that are you ready.....LESBIAN! It is possible and Im happy with myself and who I am.....

I do not to read all, but yes, I am also a pre-op transsexual (or call it whatever - 4 years HRT). I am white and I have a starting lesbian relation with a black girl 8 years younger. knowing each 6 months with Skype connection, and I hope she can migrate to my country. Lara.

Once upon a time, while I was still in deep denial about my gender, a poet friend, in an absurdist mood, asked "Is there such a thing as a male lesbian?" Now, I never said a word, but I instantly thought: "Yes. Me. An MtoF transexual who prefers girls fits that description nicely."

RE: evilpenguin - Yes. I agree. It is definitely possible to be a Transsexual Lesbian.
I myself am a female-born Lesbian and my girlfriend is an MTF Transgendered Lesbian. We are Lesbian-Identified. Our relationship is constantly evolving and it has developed into a pretty solid one. We love each other so very dearly. We are a happy, committed couple who live together in support of each other. When we first met, we just hit it off quite well, exchanging pleasant conversation and ideas. I did not even know she was Trans at the time.

Well, that was many dates ago and already a couple of years past. Before we met, I did date and experienced a few long-term relationships with other women through previous years. Looking back, I realize our relationship together has brought me a high level of personal fulfillment and a happiness for which I never would have hoped.

Most of you out there know that after a while, you find it is more important that you share personal values in common and have deep trust, respect and love for the other person. The body can fade after a while. Over time, I tend to gravitate more towards how the other woman feels, who she truly is on the inside and how well we relate with each other. Quite simply, my girlfriend is the Woman I Love. And she is physically beautiful on the outside, attractive and intelligent on the inside. And she just happens to be Trans...

So... that's my 2-cents. We're doin' what we're doin'...

Best wishes to all,
averyhappy_LezGirl