Fluid Gender

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Published on Mon Jun 18, 2007 12:42 am
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I've heard/read a lot of people say/write that sexuality can be a fluid and ever-changing thing - sometimes you like girls, sometimes boys, sometimes both, and sometimes neither. Have any of you ever heard of someone who's gender is fluid too?

I guess I'm living proof that such people exist.. But I have no clue what to do about it. The days when I'm perfectly happy being female are great, when I'm also not thinking about my gender issues, but the rest of the time ranges from okay to nearly unbearable. I don't really want to see a therapist about this; I can't even soberly talk to my best friends about it (I got really drunk once and started babbling, and they were all absolutely fine with it even after deciding it wasn't just drunk babble - barely batted an eyelash even - but I still can't even mention it to them), how can I possibly tell it to a perfect stranger?

Is there any way any of you have heard of for people to come to terms with this sort of thing? I feel sick whenever I think of it, and it's caused more anxiety attacks than I care to recount.. It's completely ridiculous how much I over react to just some thoughts.. I feel like I shouldn't even post this anymore, but I'm going to anyways.

*sigh* I don't suppose there's any way of convincing the general populace to see me as whatever gender (or lack/duplicity thereof) I feel like at the time...
Mon Jun 18, 2007 12:42 am   Share
 
I myself feel relatively fluid as well, though I tend to move around in the in-between spaces and rarely feel entirely male or female. I tend to be more likely to feel more myself at the male end of the spectrum though, but even in that mode, I am an entirely abnormal guy (which to me is a good thing, though it doesn't make things easier in terms of other people's perceptions).

I think it is possible to come to terms with this kind of identity, but I don't think at this point it's particularly possible to be seen by society (any society, really) as whatever gender you want to be seen as. The key for me in coping with a fluid trans identity is recognizing that all in all, I can't afford for it to matter to me that much what other people see when they look at me because they will never see in me what I see. Certain people I am close to come close to seeing me as I see myself, and I try to take solace in that. I hope you can become more comfortable talking to your closest friends, especially as they seem like supportive people from what you've said, and knowing that they know more about who you see yourself as might take away some of the panic.

Of course, this is all easier said than done. Just take it one step at a time, and know that you aren't the only person who feels this way.
Wed Jul 04, 2007 10:51 pm
adriansebastian
 
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Hi,
If you somedays like boys and otherdays girls, it just means you are bisexual. If you are sometimes ok with being a girl and sometimes your not and think you should have been a boy (or vice versa) then you are transgendered.

These are two different things entirely. Sexual preferance and Gender Identity. You don't have to do anything about it. You just need to realize that in time you have to come to some sort of acceptance of it, because it's who you are. Everyone is different.Take each issue individually. keep a diary to record your thoughts....sometimes it helps people to do this.

Do some research on the subjects and you will find you are not alone. Relax, you will find a balance :)
Tue Aug 07, 2007 12:46 pm
jennac
 
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Feeling just like you! Changing every day from one persona to another. And having really confused thoughts about it. Sometimes feel like as i was performing on stage in a play. Living in multiple roles. Happy about the situation, then the next minute the world comes crashing down. Been thinking about myself versus the surrounding world. How much does the environment we live in affect us? I´m usually quite ok with everything, but the problems always appear, when i´m for some reason expected to express my gender. Like checking the square "male" on a form or something like that. Why is it so important to be one thing, but never both? And how many people conform to the male/female division? How many of us would like to define ourself without preset options.

Not having the options, i have conformed to live my life as a gay man. But never felt comfortable in that role. Earlier i thought the gay community would be accepting when it comes to undefined gender. But it seems i was wrong. Only the people who are inter- pan- or nongendered can understand these thoughts and emotions. And there we need a change around the world. So many people would feel better about themselves, if they were not forced to place themselves in a predefined gender role...
Tue Sep 04, 2007 1:34 pm
VesperEternal
 
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The situation you describe fits me, as well and I think it fits the majority of male-born cross-gendered persons. I have given this matter a great deal of thought and I really believe that "bigendered" should be as recognized a category as "transsexual". Unfortunately, this is not the case. In recent years, we have seen a wonderful surge of recognition of transsexuality and a greater understanding of persons who were born male and feel they are female. Understanding of persons born male, but who feel both male and female has quite a ways to go. Even the well supported transsexual community seems to express a callousness to the bigendered similar to the way much of the populus at larges treats transsexuals. We are branded with negative-image terms like "fetishist", "transvestite" (a term created by doctors to describe a "disease"), and others. Worst of all, many of us even have disdain for what we are ourselves.

A bigenderist is simply a person who, for whatever reason, feels an identity to some degree with both genders. We express this in a variety of ways. Bigenderism is as valid a condition as transsexualism is or homosexuality. We're the next step in conquering the gender frontier. Until we can be comfortable with who we are ourselves, we can never ask others to do so. We're special. We have a unique outlook. We have advantages and disadvantages. Accept. Enjoy. Inform.

--Lyric

http://blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-06V_c4Q9YrRaJN3oQXVCRA--?cq=1
Sun Sep 30, 2007 1:35 am
Lyric
 
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This describes me so well. I'm a 29 yr old woman who is in a relationship with a straight man. he accepts my genderfluidity but still it is a hard road to travel somedays. it's confusing. sometimes i feel ok in my skin others not. my boyfriend luckily is getting more comfortable in letting my play out my feminine and masculine sides in and out of the bedroom. i'm lucky i don't have to hide. i dont' want to be stuck in a role.
Wed Apr 16, 2008 12:29 am
trisha
 
I'm a twenty-yr-old genetic female and I think I'm gender fluid as well. When I was fifteen I realized I was attracted to females, then I had a semblance of a relationship with a male, but nothing felt right. I feel I identify more with the gay community. I wear make-up and I like getting dolled up on occassion, but I feel as if I'm in drag. Not that there is anything wrong with that, I love drag queens. It's almost as if I'm a female impersonating female. ;) But I digress. Lately I've been attracted to males, but I think that might have something to do with the fact that I'm in a closet and I don't have support from my family on this issue. At this point in my life I'm looking for a female who understands my feelings and can love me. I wouldnot call myself bi, or straight, or male, or femminine, but the term genderfluid seems to fit. I'm glad I can call myself something now. :)
Thu May 06, 2010 11:41 am
Lost at Sea
 
I am so glad to see this online. I've been blogging about my gender fluidity (I have 3 genders!) for the past 4 months. its so god-darn confusing sometimes. I always tried to ignore it and deny it until I had a breakdown and I tried to commit suicide 6 months ago because of it. my dad took me to a therapist at the local LGBT center. 6 weeks later, she told me she wouldn't see me anymore because she thought I had multiple personality disorder and therefore my case was too complicated! I just got a new therapist and she not only seems to accept the idea, but is genuinely interested in learning more about it! There is is hope. I would love to see other fluid/multi- gendered people at my blog occasionally.

www.neverburnbridges.blogspot.com
Fri May 07, 2010 2:16 am
MoralAnimal0369
 
Lyric wrote:The situation you describe fits me, as well and I think it fits the majority of male-born cross-gendered persons. I have given this matter a great deal of thought and I really believe that "bigendered" should be as recognized a category as "transsexual". Unfortunately, this is not the case. In recent years, we have seen a wonderful surge of recognition of transsexuality and a greater understanding of persons who were born male and feel they are female. Understanding of persons born male, but who feel both male and female has quite a ways to go. Even the well supported transsexual community seems to express a callousness to the bigendered similar to the way much of the populus at larges treats transsexuals. We are branded with negative-image terms like "fetishist", "transvestite" (a term created by doctors to describe a "disease"), and others. Worst of all, many of us even have disdain for what we are ourselves.

A bigenderist is simply a person who, for whatever reason, feels an identity to some degree with both genders. We express this in a variety of ways. Bigenderism is as valid a condition as transsexualism is or homosexuality. We're the next step in conquering the gender frontier. Until we can be comfortable with who we are ourselves, we can never ask others to do so. We're special. We have a unique outlook. We have advantages and disadvantages. Accept. Enjoy. Inform.

--Lyric

http://blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-06V_c4Q9YrRaJN3oQXVCRA--?cq=1

There are so many points I'd like to talk about, but your post motivated me to respond. First, the term Androgynous should help you define who you are. Since learning about the word, I have come to identify with it frequently. What it means is that we are comfortable relating to and living as either gender, and sometimes no gender. You are correct in that we are percieved as outcasts by all other groups. Considering the commitment and social perspective of all the other groups, I an see why. It also seems that society has told us that "we will tolerate whatever gender role you choose, as long as you stick to only one". Which is totally incompatible with an androgynous person. You are also correct in that we are special. Who better to understand the opposite gender, than someone who lives as both. I invite you to take a look at my youtube vids of how I have incorporated this into my everyday life. I am into the fetish scene, with latex crossdressing, for many reasons. One of which is that material's ability to temporarily and completely transform me into whoever I need to be. Life's not perfect though. There are many days I yearn to go to work as a female, but I know the havoc I would cause if I did. So, I flirt with disaster in a surefooted and confident way by showing the guys pics of me and my wife (!) fully covered in rubber. They know I'm wild outside of work. my youtube channel is
http://www.youtube.com.user.JPRubber2
I think I have successfully negotiated the waters in a small town. I simply look at any given situation and decide whether pushing the envelope is worth the risks. If it is appropriate to show a male identity, then I do. But I also seek others who are flexible and accepting and especially I seek others who are participatory! Surround yourself with supportive people. It makes life a lot easier.
On a serious note, I have had this dream or fantasy, for many years now, of experiencing a different kind of surgery. A surgery which allows me to fully function as either gender, minus any body hair or facial hair. As I have always been mechanically inclined and educated in Aerospace Engineering, I have given much thought to the actual mechanics, biology and anatomy that would make this into a possibility. To have to ability to match my gender with my 'mood' would be just awesome. To add a twist to that theme, I could grant temporary control of my physical gender to another person, never knowing when I might start to change. There are many other situations of practical use for this surgery for me. Often, I am not feeling very masculine, and therefore I have a very difficult time pleasing my wife. I am aware of cialis and inflatable implants as well as strapons, but all three have limitations. It turns out, that such an androgynous surgery would allow me the flexibility to have a mostly female form but also a strong erection. And if the wife so desired to switch roles, in a matter of minutes, I could accomodate her desires as well. I don't know that such a surgery will ever surface in my lifetime, or how I would ever pay for it. But this would be the only way I would ever consider surgically modifying my body.

I took the gender orientation inventory to learn about the androgynus status. As part of that status, the attached explanation indicated that I would not be a good candidate for SRS because after the surgery, there would be a time when I would be male, but unable to function physically. Yet , SRS vids and pics are like porn to me. The new sensations, including the pain, must be intense and amazing. The possibilities of a different lifestyle must also be amazing.

I'd like to find others like me, to organize and befriend. Thanks for reading all this :D
Jon/Jennifer
Fri Jul 02, 2010 3:29 am
JPRubber
 
The more i observe the human species the more i feel confident in the notion that in almost everything about humans exists on a spectrum (think the light spectrum, visible, UV) as opposed to a single place, with each trait of each individual having a "range" upon that spectrum, i suspect this is how sexuality works, a person can be on the straight/or gay end of the spectrum and have only a tiny "range" in which they move according to daily life and situation, some conversely would have a longer "range" closer to "the middle" (bisexual) of the spectrum and some would have pretty much the whole range (pan sexual).

(guh lecturing)

I also suspect gender identity is the same, some are clearly masculine/male and are almost all the time, some seem to "hop" like yourselves (whats actually going on is they have a wiser range of gen. id to move along).

i suspect it comes down to where your "anchor point" is on these spectrum's and what degree of range you have.

in some instances it is fetish im afraid, and the easy way to tell is, is there arousal with embodying the opposite sex's traits, or is it just "normal" for that individual.

I dont think your "fluid" of gender, except in how wide your range is between the two ends of the spectrum, your anchor point (exact middle of your personal range, not public but the deep personal hidden 'you') is probably near Bigendered, others will be closer to male or female end of the gender id spectrum.

"Two spirit" search on wikipedia may be interesting.

hope this helps :)
Fri Jul 02, 2010 9:19 am
kia_Williams
 
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JPRubber wrote:
Lyric wrote:On a serious note, I have had this dream or fantasy, for many years now, of experiencing a different kind of surgery. A surgery which allows me to fully function as either gender, minus any body hair or facial hair... To have to ability to match my gender with my 'mood' would be just awesome. To add a twist to that theme, I could grant temporary control of my physical gender to another person, never knowing when I might start to change... It turns out, that such an androgynous surgery would allow me the flexibility to have a mostly female form but also a strong erection. And if the wife so desired to switch roles, in a matter of minutes, I could accomodate her desires as well. I don't know that such a surgery will ever surface in my lifetime, or how I would ever pay for it. But this would be the only way I would ever consider surgically modifying my body.

I'd like to find others like me, to organize and befriend. Thanks for reading all this :D
Jon/Jennifer


Jon/Jenn... HOOK ME UP!! :D I found this forum to research and determine whether there are others out there like me... I prefer the mostly female form, one that would offer the option of BOTH strong erection AND delicious female genitalia, minus any body or facial hair, and would love my partner to have the option of deciding which gender s/he would prefer today! It's not that I, myself, want to change genders - I am happy in my female body. Rather, it's my partner I want to be this person you describe. Absolute Utopia!

I'd be interested in connecting and discussing more, if you are so inclined.

QueerKat
Sat Aug 07, 2010 7:27 pm
queerkat
 
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